Dr. Howard Schubiner discusses the link between childhood trauma and pain, as well as the brain's role in creating pain. He highlights the challenges in training healthcare professionals to understand and address mind-body pain. Dr. Schubiner introduces the symptom perception model and explains the process of pain reprocessing therapy. He emphasizes the importance of ruling out structural problems and using the FIT criteria to determine if the pain is functional, inconsistent, and triggered. This conversation explores the revolutionary data on non-structural pain and the importance of transitioning to understanding the emotional piece of chronic pain. It delves into the role of emotional awareness and expression in pain management and the challenges clinicians face in incorporating a mind-body approach. The conversation also highlights the healthcare system challenges and available resources for clinicians and patients. Finally, it discusses the future of mind-body approaches and training opportunities.

**TIMESTAMPS**
00:00 - Start
03:24 - How did Howard get to his current focus?
08:54 - Challenges we face in education of healthcare professionals
16:34 - Do clinicians need to go through a journey before they can adopt this type of approach?
18:47 - Are we overdiagnosing structural causes of pain?
31:01 - How does Howard's approach manage the emotional components of pain?
38:00 - Any concerns of crossing professional lines into psychology ?
41:06 - Barriers to utlizing this type of approach
44:04 - The struggle healthcare professionals have to make the transition to BPS practice
45:22 - Where can people seek training?

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